Presence vs. Distraction: Your Most Important Ratio

What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro — Nicotine misadventures in Bali
01:40 Chocolate snorting and Amsterdam stories
03:00 Horseradish, birth, and the nature of pain
04:45 Orgasm-to-ejaculation ratios explained (Taoist perspective)
08:30 Presence and the “now vs. not now” ratio
10:00 Default Mode Network, rumination, and micro-presence habits
14:20 Snorting chocolate… intentionally?
17:00 Grounding techniques and breaking looping thoughts
18:00 The golden ratio and facial symmetry
19:30 Jodi’s “in the box vs. out of the box” ratio
22:00 Nature, lighting, EMF, and living environments
24:10 Pi Day vs. Bicycle Day: ratio holidays
25:10 DMT, IP jokes, and attention spans
26:00 Movement-to-screen time ratio and “exercise snacks”
28:00 Key metabolomic ratios: neuroinflammation and omega balance
31:40 Energy production vs. energy use inside the cell
34:00 Ted’s 8–8–8 ratio for life balance
37:00 Sunlight-to-grounding, hydration, movement, and social connection
40:00 Loving well, presence, and reclaiming optimal health
43:00 Wrap-up: Evolutionary health vs. survival metrics
Full Transcript:

Boomer Anderson: [00:00:00] You're really gonna wanna tune in when we talk about the next thing. We're talking about ratios today, and we're not just talking about like ISO these triangles and all that fun stuff from trigonometry that you don't remember from a long time ago. We're talking about ratios that matter to health, and I can think of no more important ratio.

Boomer Anderson: And I'm gonna bump set this over to our friend, uh, Dr. Ted here than probably the ratio of orgasms to what? Dr. Ted, to Ejaculations. Okay. Now, uh, do tell, because most people are probably listening to us and saying those are one and the same thing, um, but. What are we talking about here?

Boomer Anderson: Why? Hello everybody. Can you all hear me? And welcome to the Smarter Not Harder podcast. Welcome back. Okay, excellent, excellent. Uh, Jody was just sharing a story of Snus [00:01:00] and for Sno, anybody listening to this? What is Snus, Jody? 

Jodi Duval: This one, they, well, SNU what I'm referring to is actually just the nicotine pouches, but, um, yeah, so it was, it was a nicotine pouch that I found in Bali because we don't have them here and allow them in Australia.

Jodi Duval: Um, and I thought it would be just a good experiment, really 

Boomer Anderson: good idea just to try a random patch of nicotine in the middle of b. 

Jodi Duval: No, not, not organic, and it was only $3. So what, what, what should I have expected, really? Um, 

Boomer Anderson: mm. Love lessons learned by Jody Duval. Here we go. Yeah, 

Jodi Duval: three milligrams. I thought I'd be right, but anxiety attack and I almost vomited and felt like I was gonna fall over.

Jodi Duval: So do not do that. And I parked it. I didn't chew it. I parked it real quick. 

Boomer Anderson: So this one time in Amsterdam, you know, this is gonna be a good story because I said this one time. Uh, so I, I used to have a, a, he became a friend because he owned this really cool boutique shop in, in, uh, the Oran in Amsterdam.

Boomer Anderson: And, um. [00:02:00] I'm a wannabe hipster and so I went and like hung out with him and actually on my O OG podcast interviewed him and did like a three hour episode on chocolate. 'cause he knows more about chocolate than any person I've ever met. And he, in the middle of the episode was like, do you wanna snort some chocolate?

Boomer Anderson: I. Of course I'm, you know, easily influenced at this point. This guy has just like wooed me with chocolate talk all, all day and, you know, uh, once and he is like, Keith Richards did it. And so naturally I thought it was a good idea 'cause Keith Richards did it. So, uh, I snorted chocolate once, Jody, so there you go.

Boomer Anderson: I upped your SNOO with chocolate and to be fair, probably didn't feel as bad as your Sno. So I'm, uh, would you like 

Jodi Duval: blow your nose of chocolate for the next week? Like what? How there was, 

Boomer Anderson: it was just sort of, it was kind of more show and pomp and circumstance than anything else. Um, but it was, yeah, it was entertaining.

Boomer Anderson: And I think [00:03:00] at one, I must have the video somewhere. Uh, but unfortunately that chocolate shop shut down in Amsterdam, but it used to be called C Chuckle Toll. Um, the guy who ran it knew more about chocolate than anyone I've ever met. Um, it's crazy. Cool. But have you tried 

Jodi Duval: Tono horseradish before? That's the next one.

Jodi Duval: You should try. Wait, 

Boomer Anderson: what? 

Jodi Duval: Horseradish horse radish? Yeah. 

Boomer Anderson: For what is, is this like a So snus nicotine, you know, upper Get it chocolate theobromine. Upper. Okay. Uh, horse radish do tell. 

Jodi Duval: It will burn your sinuses and get rid of all your allergies and make your nose run like it's never run before and give you the worst headache of your life.

Jodi Duval: But then you'll feel really good afterwards and you won't be allergic to anything because it'll just blow your sinuses away. 

Boomer Anderson: So Jody, should we make this episode completely about things? You've done that for 20 minutes, have absolutely sucked. And just, [00:04:00] uh, afterwards, your life is perfect. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: But, but let's talk about 

Boomer Anderson: giving birth.

Boomer Anderson: Here we go. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Isn't the relief, isn't the relief though, because of the pain, uh, that you have endured beforehand? Like Yeah, but isn't 

Boomer Anderson: that, I mean, like that, that fractal when we talk about fractals often here, right? You know, let's talk about childbirth, Jody. Should we talk about child? 

Jodi Duval: Well, that's meant to be orgasmic.

Jodi Duval: You can, you can change the perception on that one. So you can have an orgasmic this, 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Hey, on the ter scale. Therefore, for you guys, a ter scale is a pain scale, right? This is one to 10. So why is childbirth end up having your teeth pulled without any anesthetic? Uh, uh, at the same, at the same, uh, level. Ter 10 and one cannot never be orgasmic, like, you know, having this, yeah.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Toothache and the getting it pulled out and for yourself. 

Boomer Anderson: Doctor's head. I have orgasms in the chair when I get my teeth pulled all the time. The power of [00:05:00] transmutation, the mind can create crazy things. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Well, speaking, speaking of orgasms, um, we were, we were, have a different topic. Let's actually transition.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Actually, let's 

Boomer Anderson: go into our topic today. So, uh, for those of you listening to this. If you're watching this on YouTube, it, it's fun. So you should smash that like button, hit subscribe, leave a comment, all that fun stuff to get this boost in the algorithms. But you should just tune in 'cause these are gonna be fun going forward, but you're really gonna wanna tune in when we talk about the next thing.

Boomer Anderson: We're talking about ratios today, and we're not just talking about like I Soly triangles and all that fun stuff from trigonometry that you don't remember from a long time ago. We're talking about ratios that matter to health, and I can think of no more important ratio. And I'm gonna bump set this over to our friend, uh, Dr.

Boomer Anderson: Ted here than probably the ratio of orgasms to what? Dr. Ted, to Ejaculations. Okay. Now, uh, do tell, because most people are probably listening to us and saying those are one and the same thing, um, [00:06:00] but. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: What are we talking about here? Well, actually in, in the Daoist system, right, they have a ratio of non ejaculatory days to ejaculatory days.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And uh, the formula that's, uh, uh, by Stephen Chang is you multiply your age by 0.2, and that's the number of intervening days, right, uh, that you can ejaculate. However, it doesn't say that you cannot orgasm, you know? Uh, so you can actually. Males can actually be multi, uh, orgasmic without being multi ejaculatory, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So, uh, essentially they can have multiple male orgasms with practice. So. You can just, uh, equate here the non ejaculatory days, as you know, an under orgasmic day. So for, uh, Steven Chang, uh, he says, uh, uh, it's, uh, your delayed days between ejaculations is Asians 0.2. So if you are 30, then times 0.2 is about six days, 40 is eight days.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And so on. So that's, [00:07:00] that's when ejaculate, when males say, no, that's too long. No, I didn't say you couldn't orgasm. He just said you couldn't ejaculate. Right man, chia is actually a little bit more confusing. So he says, uh, 20 is four days, 30 is every eight days. 40 years old. Is every existing. Fifties, every 21 and sixties, every 30.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Wow. Of course, his, his time is 

Boomer Anderson: just like intense. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Yeah. And, and so for me, it's actually, if you're going to follow Manta Shia, right? Uh, the simplest way is of course to follow Stephen Chang of times 0.2. But you can also, uh, take a look at Manta Shia and actually make it easier to memorize if you are into something like this, right.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Is to make it fci. Right? Uh, so, uh, essentially. So e essentially instead of uh, uh, uh, uh, 20 is, uh, four days. You say, uh, 20 is five days, right? So it's longer. 20 is every five days, and then [00:08:00] 30 is every eight days, and then 40 is every 13 days. 50, you know, is every 21 days, which is matches up with him. Um, 60 is every 34 days and his is 30, so it's easier, of course, also if you're just doing Fibonacci, you know, from age 20, it's, you know, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So, and that's my method. Uh, you know, in, in terms of if you're looking for non ejaculatory days, so ejaculatory days in terms of ratio, you can have a times two. Uh, you can have Manta Chias, which is more difficult to memorize, or you can just do it Fibonacci number of days, depending on your age. Okay, so.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Anyway, um, we'll start with that one. Uh, I know we'll have lots of questions about, well, how do you do non ejaculatory? So that's another topic altogether. We're talking about ratios here, right? So, so 

Jodi Duval: my questions are how and why. Okay, so 

Boomer Anderson: in, oh, this is in spirit of Daoism. The, the [00:09:00] Eter, the Dao that is spoken is not the Dao.

Boomer Anderson: And so let's, uh, let's, uh. Move away from the orgasm, so to speak. Um, and, and talk a little bit about other ratios, right? Uh, as much as I want to talk about orgasms on this podcast, we might have to do an entire episode about, uh, that type of stuff. Uh, so the goal is the path 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: and the path is the goal that one of those kind of, yeah.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: Topics. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And, uh, uh, you know, and Jody, these guys not have discovered a stack that would do just that. I'm not kidding.

Boomer Anderson: Uh, please don't discuss our IP here, Dr. Chad. Uh, we'll have to get NDAs for anybody listening to this podcast. Uh, otherwise, um, you know, we might have to just rerecord. All right, so we have a new joiner here. Uh, Dr. Scott Cher. He looks familiar to everybody except for us because he is wearing yellow glasses today.

Boomer Anderson: So welcome back Dr. Scott. Uh, only 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: because he heard the thought. [00:10:00] The first, the first ratio was about orgasms and ejaculations. That's when he came back. Yeah, I, 

Boomer Anderson: there's, there's, there's a big draw there, so to speak. Ha ha ha. Um, alright. Draw, maybe 

Dr. Scott Sherr: draw, big draw. Yeah. 

Boomer Anderson: You know, you gotta bump up that microphone though, my friend.

Boomer Anderson: Okay. Um, so. All right, so we're gonna get into ratios and to kind of, uh, not that orgasms, ejaculation, and all things tantra are not related to health. But let's move a little bit more into, um, people who, uh, you know, wanna have their phones on. So, let's talk about, uh, ratios. Dr. Boot Katz, do you wanna go first or should we pass it over to, should well do 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: re of podcast etiquette?

Dr. Allen Bookatz: Yeah. Yeah, 

Jodi Duval: people should not call while we're in this company. 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: I guess in the spirit of, uh, uh, somewhat peripherally related to what we're talking about, the, the ratio that fascinated me, we'll call it the now and not now ratio, [00:11:00] and the idea is that, uh, how much time we spend in the present moment versus thinking about the past or the future.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: And you know, when we think about the brain and our awareness, our, we're in a way, we're, our brains are sort of wired to time travel, right? We, we, it's important that we think about the past and, you know, for things like memory recall, learning from mistakes. Right. There's a survival adaptation to like remembering that the lion is, you know, if you see a lion, don't go and try to pet it.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: Right. Or if this, you know, particular plant killed somebody. And we didn't have, you know, Jodi, Jodi to tell us like, Hey, don't eat that shrub. Just 'cause the, you know, just 'cause the deer ate it. Uh, you know, when you learn for these mistakes and we can survive, but it's a burning bush and it's talking a burning to burning bush.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: Exactly. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: That was real. 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: And then the future, right? Things like anticipating opportunities or, um, and planning is really important as well. And so this kind of goes [00:12:00] into, uh, something that Dr. Ted has talked about, I think on other podcast, on prior podcasts, which is the default mode network. And for those of us that don't know that who's listening, it's a set of brain regions that light up when we're not actively engaged in a task.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: And so. In a way. Uh, and so when did you 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: know that Dr. Bookas actually made me enumerate to him all the components of the default mode network in an, an actual CT scan. That's how serious he is. 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: He is true about 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: this 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: ratio. Yeah. This is very, this is very important. Uh, well, we don't really learn about this in medical school.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: We didn't learn this in neurochemist in, uh, you know, neurobiology. We didn't learn this in psychiatry. And so I think, you know, it's definitely an underappreciated. Or maybe it's a recent, a relatively recent development, right, Ted? 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Yes. Uh, because, uh, that was, I think, uh, discovered, uh, accidentally in the early two thousands.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Uh, I think because what they expected was a default mode network was actually going to be [00:13:00] quiet when you're not doing anything. But they found out that the MRI was actually noisy and producing a lot of signals when you are actually, uh, alone and. Ruminating, even if you don't have five, a five chambered stomach.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Uh, so, uh, so that actually set them to, uh, the direction. In fact, uh, for, uh, they found out that also in depression, we thought that, uh, the brain would be quiet. It's actually quite angry, you know, in the angular regions of the brain, there's a lot of firing. So, and they found out that that's a self-referential system.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: That's what you actually, um, uh, uh, basically rest on when you are not outwardly focused. Right, and that led to the, um, uh, looking at the different portions of the brain that needs to get balanced. Like, for example, you know, uh, your central executive network or your dos lateral prefrontal cortex would be looking outward, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So that would be opposing, that would providing the, the ratio or the balance, you know, for you looking outward and looking inward. Uh, [00:14:00] that also led to the, um, looking at the salience network. Or the components of the sales network, like at anterior Shula and so on. So, so you could see that, uh, that dis that discovery actually pushed us to look at the, um, uh, longer tracks of the brain, bigger regions.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: We are not now just looking at the, you know, we're, we always been looking at the brain as something like, oh, the lobes are specialized. When you take a look at it, it's actually functioning as a whole all the time. So whoever said that we're only using 10% of our brain is actually wrong. You know, we're doing it.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: We're using it all the time, right. So, and, but the secret is, you know, how much, how much of the brain have we, we rewired properly? Right? And then, and then the other part, if it's just how much silences do we allow between the signals? Mm-hmm. Right? It's just like in music, uh, it's the same thing, you know, it's like you are actually looking at the spaces between the notes and the rest between the notes, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So I look at the brain. So something like that. And that's the [00:15:00] balance between the silence here and the signal, rather than just looking at the signal alone. And that's what you mean by presence, right? I, I am present in eating my chocolate. Right. So, 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: exactly Dr. Ted, you have much better job. Your chocolate Explain that than I do chocolate.

Boomer Anderson: Sorry. But it's this just point of clarification. You just sn snort your 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: chocolate. Snort your chocolate. Yeah. Snort your chocolate and en and sit. Then really enjoy the chocolate while you're snorting it. Right. It, it, it helps with the olfactory glands and all that sort of, well, so to, so to Dr. Ted's point, right?

Dr. Allen Bookatz: That this, this, uh, default mode network brain regions that are, you know, they light up when we're not engaged in tasks. If we were to. Sort of take a, you know, take a good in our time machine and go back a hundred, 200 years ago, uh, to, to what, you know, humans were doing. There's probably a lot of idle time, right?

Dr. Allen Bookatz: So we could, we could rest, we in between hunting and gathering and we could allow our brains to integrate whatever that we'll call it, the more helpful survival, [00:16:00] uh, survival adaptive sense of self and, you know, and reflect on life. Nowadays, right? We have this super active overactive default mode network, and it keeps us focused, uh, you know, in the past or in the present.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: And, um, that rumination looping is what causes all sorts of, like, mood issues. And so when we think about the health impact of the, of like an overactive default mode network, it's, uh, it keeps us, I guess like if we, if we think of our present moment, uh, as a way for us to center and to, you know. Um, engage our parasympathetic 'cause.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: That's our rest and digest. That's when. We are healing ourselves, we're activating our immune system, we're sleeping, and when we're not here, right, we're focused on those other things. We're really keeping the body's like stress response sort of up and humming. And so, you know, your cortisol's up, your H RV's gonna be lower and your inflammation markers are gonna be, are gonna [00:17:00] be up as well.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: And so I guess, uh, you know, what do we do about this? Uh, I think. Um, we call them like micro presence habits maybe is a good term. Maybe there's like a better term. But taking from Dr. Ted, it's a, it's about how do we, how do we like, check in with ourselves during those mundane moments of life. So when you're transitioning from, uh, you know, from room to room as you're holding onto a door, a doorknob, just focus for a moment.

Dr. Allen Bookatz: Feel the doorknob in your hand. Recognize, you know, feel your feet on the floor. Take a breath or two, ask yourself, you know, what do I hear? What do I see? What do I smell? Um, and, uh, you know, doing those type of activities through the day will help bring you back to the present moment and prevent you from having an overactive default mode network.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Or, you know, you can also just have a, have a, a simple word mantra, like disengage to disengage your mind from thinking right as you touch a doorknob. Or for me, you know, uh, for some students it works better if I ask them to just [00:18:00] basically, if they can't, um, uh, get rid of the, you know, reverberating circuit of thought is to stop their feet.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: You know, it's just to feel the pressure or the foot on the floor. It's sort of like it wakes you up that you're here, you know, you're not in yesterday's fight with your grandmother over your inheritance or something. So, um, and in doubt 

Boomer Anderson: there's 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: also ketamine too. Well, that, that, that's a very good, that's actually excellent for, um, for, uh, the salience network.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Right? It provides a sense of the personalization for you. Um, you know, so. And it, which is a, a technique that one of us here actually learned from me is taking ketamine, slivers, I won't say who, but it actually allows him to get through the day on days when anxiety. Jodi, 

Boomer Anderson: there. Did you notice that that was, uh, you gotta explain.

Boomer Anderson: So you're, it's not Jody, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, so, uh, can I bring up just a, a story [00:19:00] that one of the first conversations I had with with Ted was in Manila and. We were talking about this class that, I think you took this in Scotland or something called the Mathematics of Beauty. And this is not really a ratio that I personally pay attention to, but I find it interesting in the concept of ratios is sort of the idea of 1.618 and what we're gonna, I'm gonna take this into a different direction here in a second, but, um, when you.

Boomer Anderson: Go to, I think it's length and width of the high length and width. Width of the face. Did I just turn off my mic? You can hear me still, right? Um, so length and width of the face and the ideal, um. Length and width of the face is 1.618. Right? And that's what humans believe is evolutionary. Beautiful. So ratios exist all around us, and that 1.618 of course, is the golden ratio, and it, uh, is in nature and all kinds of things.

Boomer Anderson: But, um, let's take this a little bit into health optimization. Now, s we shall, we, uh, you know, [00:20:00] Dr. Bcat here gave us an introduction to enlightenment. And, um, you know, we're gonna go a little bit, who do we have to go to next? Uh, do we wanna go with Dr. Cher? Madam Duval? Um, what would be preferences? I think, I think, uh, let's go, let's go, Jody.

Boomer Anderson: Let's let, let's have, let's have Jody bring the thunder from down under 

Jodi Duval: different, down under, gosh. Alright, well, I, I wanted to mention a few things, but I think I'll, I'll box it up literally into my. In the box and out of the box ratio. So by what I, what I mean by that is literally that we spend a lot of our times in boxes.

Jodi Duval: So our, our car, our houses. Offices in front of a box. So my, my ratio that I think about a lot for me, for my clients, for people who I'm, I'm talking to on the street is this, um, you know, how much do we spend in the boxes or in the box [00:21:00] or out of the box? And this can be also in the way that we think. So a lot of us are stuck thinking inside boxes and we don't have a zoom out impact.

Jodi Duval: Like this is where we think about evolutionary medicine. Where we look at, um, you know, range shifts where we look at, um, you know, looking at client's health, you know, where, where in the areas and even the holo ion, you know, how are we impacted from, um, a, a larger perspective. So. So in, in the box is, you know, really narrow looking at different markers and you know, which we do, but then we zoom out and we have to look outside of the box.

Jodi Duval: So this also includes the sunlight and nature. So how much are we in? Um, you know, fake environments and how much are we outside of that and in nature and, and sunlight becomes a big part of that. You know, lighting in our fake boxes become, becomes a big part of that. And we all know, and we've talked about it a lot on this podcast, of how much that [00:22:00] impacts our physiology, our mentality, our um.

Jodi Duval: Vitality. So all of these, um, aspects to get that ratio right is, is really, really important. So it, it sort of encompasses a lot of, um, you know, all I sort of drew drill that into to one 'cause I wanted to discuss all of that. So that's my in, in and out of the box, uh, ratio. So, yeah, I think, I think that's, do you put presents 

Dr. Scott Sherr: in a box for Christmas?

Jodi Duval: Presence. Exactly. Yeah. What sort of presence are we talking about? We're talking about 

Boomer Anderson: P-R-E-S-E-N-C-E. Do you do put presence in a box, Scott? I dunno. I think it's the important 

Jodi Duval: one to think about. You know, how, how much are you spending in a box and, and then how much are you spending outside of the box?

Jodi Duval: Yeah. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Is step one, opening the box or realizing 

Boomer Anderson: that, or realizing that there is no box. Okay. Oh, [00:23:00] 

Dr. Scott Sherr: step two then be, I don't remember. After opening, opening you 

Dr. Allen Bookatz: both in, you both are the box and in the box. 

Jodi Duval: And then you the, isn't 

Boomer Anderson: there an Alice in the Chain song called, uh, man in the Box? 

Dr. Scott Sherr: I Man The Box. Yeah.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Man In the Box. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a, a, a children's book that I have at my house called Not a Box. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Mm-hmm. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah. You can do things with a lot, with a lot of plays on the word box there. 

Jodi Duval: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, I've thought about this many years ago. Um. And it's, it's more where I was, you know, yeah, we're driving in metal boxes and we can even think about the energetics around that as well.

Jodi Duval: And the EMF that we're exposed to now, and what we're attracting electronically, um, you know, metal boxes, phones in the car, um, and then, you know, what's impacting us in terms of air quality inside and outside of the box. So, yeah, I, I, 

Boomer Anderson: Jody, if you take them like some time and repackage this, you have a really, really good, like.

Boomer Anderson: Marketing concept here, you know? There you go. 

Jodi Duval: And I just, the design. 

Boomer Anderson: Yeah, [00:24:00] exactly. We can, 

Jodi Duval: you heard it first here, people. 

Boomer Anderson: Yeah, exactly. We're giving away so much IP on this podcast today. It's just, I need to get NDA signed for, listen, we're gonna have to put this behind a paywall. Guys. Where is Jody's box?

Dr. Scott Sherr: Does, does Jody have a box? Is there a box? I can see that there's lots of different taglines 

Boomer Anderson: inside 

Jodi Duval: a box. Yeah, I dunno. The box is 

Boomer Anderson: a teepee. All right. Um, all right. Dr. Scott, thank you for joining us. I really love those yellow shades. You'll have to send them over to me. I appreciate that. Thanks. Well, we won't be able 

Dr. Scott Sherr: to see out of 'em because they're prescription and it'll make your eyes all glittery.

Dr. Scott Sherr: I have a very strong prescription over here, just like a strong devoice for all of you. It's good to be here. Here, yeah. Yeah. 

Boomer Anderson: Excellent. So, so, yes. Uh, we were talking about ratios today. Yeah. Dr. Scott and I was wondering if you can talk to us about, um, just get into 3.14 and how that plays a role in the algebraic topography of toal structures.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Well, I would, [00:25:00] I'd like to do de phone a friend and defer to, uh, uh, the, the mathematician on the phone, on video with us. But I, I have heard of Pie and there's a day that's, uh, dedicated to pie actually as well. It's, it's March 14th. Did you guys know that? So sorry. Yeah. We, we 

Boomer Anderson: released, uh, triune on March 14th.

Boomer Anderson: UNE was a big, 

Dr. Scott Sherr: yeah. Triune was, uh, March 14th. Yeah. 

Boomer Anderson: Um, 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Jody, I love your Yeah. But, uh, some of us prefer four 20, 

Boomer Anderson: sweetheart, 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: so 

Boomer Anderson: I, I like, I like 4, 4, 4 19, which is bicycle day. Yeah. That's, 

Dr. Scott Sherr: that's sort of, I think we're more of a bicycle day crew than a, a four 20 crew. But 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: what, what whatcha admitting 

Dr. Scott Sherr: to Nothing.

Dr. Scott Sherr: I'm neither. I think I like the story better. It's a better story. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: There's a bicycle, there's pretty colors. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: You 

Dr. Scott Sherr: know, you're in Basel, Switzerland. It's really nice. Yeah, I I would imagine it's very pretty there. Yeah. Yeah. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Um, is there a, is there a, like a, you know, uh, machine elves day or something like that?

Boomer Anderson: Why not? Yeah. What, what day did Alice go [00:26:00] down the rabbit hole? I don't remember. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Well, our former podcast guest, Dr. What is it? Andrew Gallimore probably has a a DM TX day that he is trying to go for, right? Like a continuous day of DMT, like for the full 24 hours. That was a pretty cool podcast he did with him way back in the beginning.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Maybe we can talk about the ratio of being on DMT and off DMT. I don't know. That's, that's an interesting ratio. 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Yeah, that, that was back when I was, uh, still, you know, uh, loose and free with our ip. But now that, uh, the boss is, uh, already here corralling me with IP and I'm, I shall speak no longer of those things.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So, 

Dr. Scott Sherr: uh, well, okay. Ratio. So a couple things that came to mind first, Jody. I love the way you took that and what actually made me think of is ratios in the respect of. Being immobile like in front of a computer screen versus ratio, uh, compared to how much exercise that you're getting. And they've done actually some recent studies that looked at this where.

Dr. Scott Sherr: It's better to take a [00:27:00] break every hour for five to 10 minutes and get up off your bottom and move around. Do something, um, not just eat everybody right to go outside, you know, you know, do a couple jumping jacks, do some squats, whatever. Even small amounts of, I've heard people call them different things.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Exercise vitamins or snacks or whatever, like these little breaks. Um, so having a ratio where. Maybe, you know, I haven't, like, it's not an exact one, but for, for me, maybe 10 to 20 minutes every hour you're not looking at a screen, um, can be really helpful, especially when you have a tendency like some of us on this call to not do that because we just wanna power through things until they're done.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Um, and forget that it's better. From a brain perspective to give yourself a cognitive break and a, an eye strain break from looking at a screen. Uh, hence the yellow lenses tonight. Uh, but you also 

Boomer Anderson: just need multiple screens, right? I'm joking. That's a joke. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Multiple screens with different colors, I guess to keep things interesting.

Boomer Anderson: I'm joking. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: They all have the ratio of pie [00:28:00] to some sort of spherical OID at the same time and how you collect them. Um, that made no sense, of course, but that's, that's the deal. Uh, with my math. My math mathematics. Um, yeah, that's the first thing I think of is the ratio of, of having. Obviously, you know, most of us, a lot of us have to work a lot of time, but at the same time, we can take breaks.

Dr. Scott Sherr: So having some sort of set place where I'm gonna, every 50 minutes, I'm gonna take a break for 10 minutes and do a ratio or something like that. So, and then in health optimization medicine in practice, we do have various ratios. I don't believe, did you talk about these Ted before I came on already? I don't, no.

Dr. Scott Sherr: No, we haven't. Okay. I just wanna make sure. Um, because, you know, in, in health optimization medicine and practice, we do have a number of different ratios that we look at. All the time. Um, and, uh, a couple of these are on what we call a metabolomics assessment. Uh, a couple that we look at primarily. One that, uh, we talk about a lot with, um, neurotransmitters and neuroinflammation is a ratio called connic and lytic ratio, cholic acid ratio.

Dr. Scott Sherr: This is a ratio [00:29:00] that can give us a sense of somebody's neuroinflammatory status, how much tryptophan they're making, how much you know, how much sort of toxic products. They're making as well. So this is a great ratio that we can use, tell people, kind of understand maybe how they feel because we really can't measure.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Neurotransmitters directly, no matter whatever anybody tells you. We're measuring neurotransmitters in the urine, which are just corresponding maybe to something that's going on clinically. But this particular ratio is a really good ratio because it can give you a sense of that, you know, the inflammatory state of the brain better than almost any other ratio that I'm familiar with, uh, at all actually with when it comes to, to neuroinflammation.

Dr. Scott Sherr: So that's, that's one. Do you have any comments on that, Ted, before I keep going? Or you look like you might. Okay. No, no, no, no. Are 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: good. These are, these are. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Very 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: specific ratios. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Yeah, very specific ratios. I know, but that's, I figured we kind get to some of the things that we do. The other one we talk about a lot is on our fatty acid profiles.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Actually, we talk about omega six, Omega-3 ratios, and this is one that. We've talked about a lot in various contexts. Probably on the podcast as well. I know I have with a couple guests [00:30:00] over the years, but Omega-3, you know, from your fish hypothetically, although like there's a, there's one that's from flax and walnuts and things like that.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Alpha oleic or alpha, yes. Oleic acid, a LA. Um, and then there's also your omega sixes. And you know, ideally, so ideally you have about a one to four ratio where you have, you know, one to four, you know, three to six. But in, I think in, uh, Western, it's like one to. 15 or one to, I can't remember what the exact ratio in but is, but we have a huge amount of omega sixes in our diet compared to, compared to Omega-3.

Dr. Scott Sherr: And this is very potentially inflammatory. Um, but what can happen is that we find that a lot of people in the health optimization space, like, well, I'm just gonna take a crap ton or a butt load of fish oil, whatever you want to call it, but it's a lot of fish oil and a lot of omega threes. And then all of a sudden that ratio gets flipped and the other way and they have too many omega threes compared to six.

Dr. Scott Sherr: And that can cause the same issue actually. It can cause oxidative stress. It can cause. Uh, the, it's called lipid peroxides, going up in your, in your urine, which we can measure, which is a sign of oxidative stress. It could mean that you need more antioxidants, or it could mean that you just need to stop.[00:31:00] 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Eating sardines for every freaking meal because I do have certain clients that have done that over the years. Even if, because it's low work free dish, I guilty 

Boomer Anderson: discharge. Right. There's a time when we were all quasi pescatarian, right? 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Like it's, I try to, I filled a full, a full year of no meat, only fish and seafood when I was in medical school, I think for a year.

Dr. Scott Sherr: But I wasn't checking And you didn't get mercury poisoning there if I could do it, but, um. So those are two ratio. Another ratio to talk about is ar arachidonic versus um, EPA or um, I casa pento pen peno acid. These are, again, these are specific types of Omega-3 and omega six, and these are another ones that we look at from an inflammatory perspective, if you have a higher arachidonic acid, this is gonna cause inflammation in the system.

Dr. Scott Sherr: It can cause, um, pain, discomfort. Increase some risk of cardiovascular disease. So these are very specific ratios, but I thought, you know, we've been doing very high level. So give people like some additional things that we do on a regular basis with our clients to say, Hey, you know what, these ratios really matter from a, a health optimization perspective.

Dr. Scott Sherr: Now, not specifically D'S disease [00:32:00] focused, but they, you know, they can be, you can look 'em that way, but from our perspective, it's more how do we optimize the health of your foundational biology by looking at these ratio as part of a greater context. 

Boomer Anderson: Beautifully said. I, I love that you went into some of the specifics there on the labs test.

Boomer Anderson: Uh, and it, it's, it's important that people realize that there's, you know, a lot of background calculation that goes on in these various tests too. So, um. Let's pass it over to wrap things up to the man himself, Dr. Ted? 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Yes. Um, the ratio that I'm looking at is the ratio that's always occurring in a cell. Uh, it's not directly measurable, but it can be.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Measured and corrected with our lifestyle. And, uh, as I always tell my patients and my clients, you know, 80% of your improvements are going to become from your lifestyle improvements and your compliance, right? So, [00:33:00] uh, you know what we're giving you will really only about 20%. So. The first thing that I, I always remind, you know, you guys and other students and myself, uh, really is that if you take a look at the cell, one part of the cell is.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Producing energy, and that's your mitochondrial part, right? And the other parts of your cell, of your cell is using up energy, right? To, um, produce, uh, certain structures, like to maintain your structural integrity, for example, or to defend you. So you see that you always have to maintain, uh, a certain balance between your, uh, your energy production and your energy use.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And that energy is triaged by the body. The first thing that the body does with energy is of course, to defend you guys, right? So, uh, so that when you, for example, have a persistent gut inflammation, the body will. Always put its, uh, defenses in there and, uh, you [00:34:00] know, and therefore it'll leave less energy for your cellular repair, like DNA repair, for example, and other things in the body have to take care of.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Right. So, so that's the, the, the kind of thing that's actually, um, uh, can be seen in your tests. Like, for example, in your mitochondria, how you, you know, you under production, whether or not it's blocked. Right. Uh, I've, uh, I had, you know, more and more. Uh, uh, we, we, uh, uh, you know, uh, cases of, uh, of a mercury, uh, a subacute mercury toxicity, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: It's, you're not even manifesting acutely. And they come in with muscle fatigue and weakness, and they're diagnosed with so many, uh, with so many other types of diagnosis. They even get an electromyography or they have punch biopsy of the muscles to take, uh, take a look. But, you know, the first thing to do there is actually to take a look, you know, because this is.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: This is pertain data. The signs and symptoms are weakness. Of course, you have no energy, right? Um, if you don't have enough energy to fight [00:35:00] off, uh, you have, you have decreased immune surveillance. You'll, you know, like bodybuilders who are actually, don't have enough cortisol for example, but continue building their, their bodies in a state of inflammation.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Right. And so they're always prone to infections, especially at the time that they're going to show off their bodies. And I, I used to joke that you can push them and they will fall down, right? Because they're not strong at the time. They're ready for a show. Right. I used to have a, a joke, uh, when I was too heavy for my size.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: It's like these muscles are for show, they're not for work. But anyway. Uh, the, uh, whole uh, uh, uh, premise there is really, you have to make sure that you have to have enough energy to defend you, right? Because that's where it'll go first before the body will do its other subsequent, uh, work. Of, uh, healing you up.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: That's why we, since the Department of Defense, a very big budget of energy, and most of it is in your gut. We start with the gut. But of course, [00:36:00] uh, we have to know what to look for in, in, in the metabolomics right in, in the, uh, how much, uh, energy are you actually producing by the status of mitochondria?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And this is where I think, you know, lifestyle advice that we give you. Like for example, mitochondrial biogenesis begins at the 12th hour of fasting. So if, if, if, for. Fuck's sake. Stop feeding yourself for 16 hours, you know, and just eat for eight hours, or stop feeding yourself for 12 hours. Like, why give yourself permission to eat for 16 hours?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: My God. Uh, anyway, we're the only, we're the only species that like, gives ourself permission to eat for 24 hours. You know, you read the, the, the refrigerator at midnight, I say like, you know, uh, be kind to, to, to this bacteria that actually producing your energy. Right? So. You know, um, I'm always known to end my lectures with, with the, the thing like sleep well, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So I divide my life into eights, right? That this is my ratio. Eight, eight, and eight, eight hours to [00:37:00] sleep, eight hours to live and do whatever it is that I have to do, right? And, and eight hours to work. Right. So, uh, you know, uh, the eight hour workday is a myth anyway, right? So you could, you could divide that in however you want, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: But you, you, you set aside your eight, eight, and eight and, and, uh, and, uh, you know, you, you can see very clearly that you actually have time for, uh, all of the things that you want to do, you know? Um. Being a slave to time is a myth, guys, we create time. You know, if you want to do something, you create time for it.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: You do not say, oh, I don't have any time for that. If you really wanna do it. The reason why, why you say I don't have any time for that is just be honest and say, I don't wanna do that. Right? Even if it's with your kids. So, uh, and, and, and remember that they do are growing up very quickly and you have to teach them the value of creating time to spending time with each other, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Because those, those times will, will never go back. It's like, uh, uh, you know, and EE everything will be ated to memory, memory that can bring [00:38:00] them in the psychiatry couch later on. So, you know, I either you, either you provide time for, for people you love now or you don't, so, so we sleep well. You know, the, the other thing is hydrate well here.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Um, it's the, it's not a more, more of a ratio that I advocate, but it's more of the amount that you, uh, drink like your water, right? It's, uh. On the average 2.9 liters of, uh, water for males and 2.7 liter water of females including that in food. You know, people have complained. That's too much, actually. It's not too much.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Right. Um, especially and depending on the season, right. Uh, especially in the summers. And you, you know, the worst thing is, uh, you know, I see runners running out in, in a hundred degree, uh, uh, weather, uh, Fahrenheit weather. Uh, you know, uh, so, so it, you have to. Basically adaptive, not because you're just following a rule or a ratio, doesn't mean you don't have to adjust your hydration, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And then you [00:39:00] have your, your, you know, uh, Jody said this, how much you stay inside the box and how much do you stay out of it. That is my sunlight to grounding ratio. You know, how much are you actually sun, sunlight and, and enjoying the greenery, right? And in your walks, you know, which has just been sadly reduced to 7,000 steps, uh, these days.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Figures that we are not even worth the, of 10,000 steps outside. So, so YYY you know, um, that's when, that's when you could actually, um, uh, you know, get your green, uh, or, you know, walk barefoot in the park, you know, if it's possible for you or have a grounding mat. Uh, so, so these are the kinds of things where you, sun and ground, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And your, your, the next one is to move well, your, your, uh, movement to being stationary ratio, right? Set your, your, your phone to alarms to just let you get up of, sit out of at your chair, you know, for at least five. Um, uh, you know, e every hour or [00:40:00] something, you know, what I do is actually I go up and down the stairs and drink water.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: So, so, you know, you're actually, you're actually doing something right? And, uh, I know Dr. Buca Sierra does some, you know, uh, some wonderful Tibetan rights exercises, you know, several times a day. That's this movement thing, right? So, um, uh, and, and then, you know, uh, the, the, uh, the time that you. See, what I'm lamenting now is that everyone is just saying, oh, it's good to be social.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: You know, because it gives you habits. No, it doesn't. You know, it just so happens that now it's just like, oh, Metformin is a good anti-aging drug, so now being social is, is what makes you happy. You know, it's, it's like, it's because it's this time now that it's so hard to make real. Actions, right? Because the, the maintenance of relationships requires energy.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And if you want true relationships, you cannot relate with a million followers. Dr. Cher, the only people that you can [00:41:00] have a true relationship with are the people around you, close to you. Right. And, but those are my best friends. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: All those followers, Dr. To, 

Dr. Ted Achacoso: and, and if they're away from you, you know, and they, they're away from you.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: It's when you, when they come back, you know, it's as if you guys have never, uh, never gonna weigh. Right? And, and, and, and so those, those relating well, and, and loving well, and the, the, the, the, especially in loving well with your partners, right. You know that any relationship, any marriage, any arrangement of being together will always have its ups and downs.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: And that's what you committed to, right? And so it's basically a part of it is a part of living. You will fight, you will make up, you will do this, you will do that. But it's all, it's like there's nothing permanent about it. It's the nature of things. And we let it unfold every day to, to uh, get back to Dr.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Allen's point of view here about. You know [00:42:00] about being present, it's attention is the only true gift that we can give anyone, and the first gift that we should give to ourselves is the attention to our fucking health. You know, not attention to our fucking disease. Right? Attention to our fucking health, right?

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Because if we pay attention to our fucking health, we will never need to pay attention to that fucking disease. Right. And I would like this. I would, I would like to, to to, uh, to uh, uh, end. This really is like in, is, is. It's actually not a ratio, but to remind people of the values that we use in health optimization medicine.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Right? We use that, which is optimal for when you were between 21 and 30 years old. Or an evolutionarily derived value like vitamin D, and we do not use the illness medicine cutoff. [00:43:00] In other words, your recommended dietary allowance is a survival value and not an optimal value. So let's, so let's take a look at the difference between, um.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: An, uh, survival value, right? And an optimal value. And let's separate those in our heads. So when you come to us, you don't say, oh, look, I have a normal, you know, value for vitamin B12 or whatever it is. Well, it's, you know, news flash. It's not because we're trying to really get you back to when you were, when you were optimal in both form and function.

Dr. Ted Achacoso: Okay. 

Boomer Anderson: All right. And so, guys, I, I just wanna throw this out there as a proposed title, uh, for this episode, uh, based on what Dr. Ted has just said, as epochs, the Amplitude Hadron, and the evolutionary basis for health optimization. All right. Shall we, uh, shall we close that out there? Mm-hmm. Uh, Dr. [00:44:00] Sure. You're so good at doing this, so I just have to pass it over to you every time.

Boomer Anderson: Let's wrap this up. 

Dr. Scott Sherr: Sure. Well, Dr. Ted, you blew it outta the park as usual. I was rowing and waving and just, I had my, my mic off just specifically so that I wouldn't scream into it as you're laying it down. Um, thanks everybody for listening to another episode of the Smarter Not Harder podcast, where we give you 1 cent solutions, two $64,000 questions.

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